26 May 2007 @ 10:54 am
Sexism Sh*tstorm  
I'm taking a quick pause from my job stress, coloring stress, and general withdrawal from society to document a teacup typhoon from the comics world. I'm throwing it all down here because a) I really get tweaked by the type of crap that's causing all this, b) I love the fact that people are taking a stand against it, and c) I'm really amused by what happens when creative people get their undies in a bunch about something.

INTRODUCTION

It shouldn't be surprising to anyone in this forum that superhero comics have long been a stronghold of feminine objectification. Basketball breasts, women who go flying while wearing skirts, Wonder Woman created as a BDSM fantasy, poses taken from porn mags, etc. What is different nowadays: more women are reading comics than ever before, particularly superhero comics. They're online, and they're becoming watchdogs for this sort of thing, calling foul on artists and editors.

And, of course, when stuff like that happens, there's backlash.

THE GUILTY

In the last month or two, there have been some more egregious transgressions of taste. They mostly come from Marvel, but Marvel is by no means alone in this arena.

First, and primarily, there's the release of the now-infamous limited edition Mary Jane statuette. In the statue, Mary Jane bends over a pile of Spidey's laundry, pooching out her butt, showing off her thong, and winsomely smiling over her shoulder. To top it all off, her t-shirt and jeans are accessorized with a pearl necklace (GET IT?!?!? Huh huh huh!).

Roughly contemporary to the release of this figure was the creation of this Supergirl statue, which depicts the character with an impossibly long bare midriff and a very non-superheroic pose.

And third, we have (also from Marvel) this Heroes for Hire cover, which not only displays improbably cut costumes and basketball tits, it also has racial re-assignment and TENTACLE ACTION. (Further analysis can be found in the linked blog entry.) Oh, and it's also rated for ages 9 and up!

THE REACTION

Many men and women are in a tizzy about these items (mostly the MJ statue). For a taste, check out these blog entries:

http://devildoll.livejournal.com/750924.html
http://yendi.livejournal.com/1274802.html
http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/05/16/online-outrage-over-mj-statue-hits-new-york-post/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273092,00.html
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05162007/news/nationalnews/mary_jane_is_spidey_sensuous_nationalnews_neil_graves.htm
http://womenincomics.blogspot.com/2007/05/special-outrage-of-week-edition.html

Yes, that's right. Some major news outlets are grabbing hold of this thing.

Edit: Lea Hernandez wrote an excellent letter to Marvel about the Heroes for Hire cover: http://divalea.livejournal.com/454772.html. Link courtesy of Wombat_Socho.

Edit 2: One of Slave Labor Graphics' editors has also voiced her opinion on the Heroes for Hire cover: http://slg-news.livejournal.com/191569.html


THE BACKLASH

Naturally, this sort of ire is causing the artists and editors to step up and defend what they've done (and some cheesecake fans are leaping to their aid). Top link involves Joe Quesada defending the Heroes for Hire cover.

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/JoeFridays100.html
http://www.stefanhayden.com/blog/2007/05/17/sexist-mary-jane-statue-receives-poor-defense/
http://forevergeek.com/comics/mary_jane_statue_designed_by_adam_hughes_starts_huge_controversy.php

Oh, yeah, and people who left comments about the MJ statue on the Sideshow site got their comments deleted pronto.

AND NOW FOR THE ENTERTAINMENT

First up, we have an interesting interview with Adam Hughes, artist of the MJ figure. While he does have some blind spots (i.e., calling the feminist reaction "mean"), he does talk rather intelligently about the spot he's in:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=113690

Next, we have a brilliant piece of art from LogansRogue that parodies the MJ statue:

http://devildoll.livejournal.com/750924.html?thread=6890572#t6890572

NEW: Lea Hernandez has re-tooled the Heroes for Hire cover to her own liking: http://divalea.livejournal.com/456637.html Behold the power of PhotoShop!

And finally, we have this wonderful entry from girlwonder.org. Basically, they made a comics bingo card for feminists:

http://girl-wonder.org/girlsreadcomics/index.php?entry=entry070415-071159

And they do an excellent job of explaining the squares here:

http://girl-wonder.org/girlsreadcomics/index.php?entry=entry070518-204342


SUPPLEMENTAL: I LOVE J. BONE

J. Bone, inker to Darwyn Cooke and artist in his own right, is quickly becoming one of my favorite online presences in comics.

First of all, he has two blogs. The first (http://gobukan.blogspot.com/), he uses to post cute pictures of women. On the second blog (http://bonesmen.blogspot.com) (and this is the brilliant bit) he posts the same pictures... only with the characters made into men.

Well, he stepped into the fray this week with this lovely entry:

http://bonesmen.blogspot.com/2007/05/peter-parker-househusband.html

Someday, I will meet J. Bone and worship him. Yes.

Edit: I'd just like to add that J. Bone does all this without calling any attention to what he's doing. He's not stepping in and saying he's making a statement. You almost have to know ahead of time that he has the two blogs; the cross-links are buried. The content of both blogs is also simply light and fun. I think that's what I admire most about the whole thing. He's not shoving politics down anyone's throat; he just seems to be having fun.


AND WHAT DO I THINK OF ALL THIS?

I'm glad it's making noise. Awareness is the best weapon feminism has, and the way you get media outlets to listen is by making it clear that your audience wants to be treated fairly. If we all make it clear that what we want from comics is a good story with great characters of both genders, without the codified pornography laid onto the women, then we just might get it.

I also love what happens when comics artists get their teeth into a real issue, so this has been a fun week for me.

I do feel a bit bad for Adam Hughes. Hughes is one of the few cheesecake artists that I actually have some respect for, because he draws strong women with somewhat believable anatomy, yet they're still sexy. Unfortunately, all he's been doing lately is following the money, which means he's more or less stopped drawing comics and just became a cover artist... which means he's doing cheesecake full-time. If you do only one thing for that long, your sense of gravity naturally warps. I think he's wandering deeper into the objectification forest without realizing it. (Edit: I may also be a bit soft on him, because I've met the guy in person. It's easier to get riled up about someone who you only know over the Internet, someone who is only a name.)

I also find it ironic that it's an MJ statue that primarily caused all this stir. A lot of media outlets are calling her "the girl next door", making it sound like her character is a sweet and innocent little thing, and this statue is an outrage because of that. In fact, Hughes gets closer to the truth in his interview: MJ in the comics is a cheesecake girl. She's an actress and a model. The girl next door in the Spidey comics was actually Gwen Stacey. If there's any character in the comics universe who is supposed to be a bit of cheesecake, it's Mary Jane.

That still shouldn't give carte blanche to treat her like an object (so to speak). But I still find it ironic.
 
 
Current Mood: amused
 
 
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The Captain of Heck's Log[info]capthek on May 26th, 2007 05:04 pm (UTC)
I will admit that many of the comics I first purchased were because the women were so hot, at least to my 12ish eyes. Of course this was before the glory of the internets and all of the woman a kid can want to stare at.

I am glad that people are talking about this. Comics can have plenty of attractive male and female characters without having to resort to such ludeness. I am no prude, but when something seems out of place, people can tell, thus the recent lengthy discussions.
Chebutykin[info]chebutykin on May 26th, 2007 06:05 pm (UTC)
I have no problem with women in comics (or movies or TV) being sexy. It's when that's all they're allowed to be, or when they are distorted into inhuman shapes in the service of being super-sexualized, or when their costumes are obviously in service of sexualization rather than practicality... and et cetera.

Darwyn Cooke's Catwoman? Hot. But note that her clothes are loose and practical for a catburglar, and her shoes are flat boots rather than heels:

I Want a Monkey![info]jmanna on May 26th, 2007 05:52 pm (UTC)
I think the Femminist Argument Bingo is fucking brillent.
Chebutykin[info]chebutykin on May 26th, 2007 05:59 pm (UTC)
I just about fell out of my chair when I saw it. Absolutely ingenious!
Yotogi[info]yotogi on May 26th, 2007 06:42 pm (UTC)
I'm all for a little cheesecake, admittedly; and I was sort of bemused myself about the MJ thing starting this whole soiree (she's been dressed like a stripper, since... what, the Jurassic Period? At least since MacFarlane had the book, and we're just getting mad now?) but, uh... yeah. About that Heroes for Hire cover... um... I'm almost positive I have a copy of Urotsukidoji here somewhere with that exact picture on it.
wombat_socho[info]wombat_socho on May 26th, 2007 07:09 pm (UTC)
[info]divalea, who actually worked in Japan for a while in the anime/manga bidness, drew the same parallel. Also, her post title, "Marvel Goes From Pearl Necklace To Money Shot", damn near killed my keyboard at work.
Chebutykin[info]chebutykin on May 26th, 2007 07:13 pm (UTC)
Go go, gadget Lea!

I'm adding the link to her letter in the fray up above. Thanks for the link!
wombat_socho[info]wombat_socho on May 26th, 2007 07:18 pm (UTC)
You're welcome. I was going to post about it earlier in the week, but, you know, :effort:. Besides, it fits in better with the NERDRAGE post I'm doing now.
Yotogi[info]yotogi on May 26th, 2007 08:26 pm (UTC)
Not a hard one to draw, I mean... wow. What else can you say about straight up naughty tentacles all over Felicia Hardy?
wombat_socho[info]wombat_socho on May 27th, 2007 06:56 pm (UTC)
Yeah...and in a comic book marketed to kids in elementary school, no less. There's some god-awful stuff being produced and sold in Japan, but it's definitely not for kids.
M. C. A. Hogarth[info]haikujaguar on May 26th, 2007 06:43 pm (UTC)
So, let's see. I can read American comics, where women are sex objects... or I can read Japanese comics, where women are sex objects (but additionally, men who look like women are also sex objects!).

So... exactly why am I reading comics again? :,
Chebutykin[info]chebutykin on May 26th, 2007 07:11 pm (UTC)
So... exactly why am I reading comics again?

Hope springs eternal, I suppose!
wombat_socho[info]wombat_socho on May 26th, 2007 07:21 pm (UTC)
More to the point, not all comics cater to what [info]divalea has taken to calling the Manstream. I haven't bought anything from DC or Marvel in years, (well, okay, 4th volume of Megatokyo) but my shelves are loaded with stuff from Lea Hernandez and shojo manga translations.
M. C. A. Hogarth[info]haikujaguar on May 26th, 2007 07:45 pm (UTC)
I am particularly disappointed to discover entire genres of comics drawn by women that show the exploitation of men. Eagerly consuming comics where suspiciously young-looking boys are raped by older guys (and who then learn to like it) is not a good way to fight female objectification. :,
Chebutykin[info]chebutykin on May 26th, 2007 07:52 pm (UTC)
Absolutely agreed on that front.
Lea Hernandez-DivaLea[info]divalea on May 26th, 2007 09:28 pm (UTC)
Hey, Chebutykin!
I did a little something to add to your reaction section: I redid the expressions on rhe women's faces on H4H #13, and fixed a few other things fans of the characters hated.

Here tis, and thanks for the namecheck:

http://divalea.livejournal.com/456637.html
Chebutykin[info]chebutykin on May 26th, 2007 09:35 pm (UTC)
Nicely done! Thanks for the link, too!
dmann11[info]dmann11 on May 27th, 2007 06:58 pm (UTC)
Re: Lea's Remix...She also looks more like Pam Grier with that expression... which Misty Knight ALWAYS SHOULD!

As originally done, the "hentai" cover is kinda... retarded, otherwise, I cant say, because it's all wrapped up in my current love/hate relationship with superheroes, especially ones done by marvel, anyway.

As I write down random thoughts about this, it strikes me, I aint the best judge, because I'm, a guy who think the hottest women in comics are Francine and Katchoo from STRANGERS IN PARADISE.

Otherwise, I dunno. MJ is a cheesecake character, I aint all up in arms about that, especially since shes a happily married cheesecake character who MIGHT engage in happily married naughty laundry type playtime without it being a negative female stereotype, because you KNOW Peter gets stuck doing the laundry in the Parker household anyway, given that MJ is a model and probably a clothing junkie who can go about 12 times as long as pete without doing wash.

We all should hope for a spouse who enjoys naughty laundry.

Now I have to figure out what naughty laundry actually is...

and find a girl like Francine to do it with....oooh, does that make me a Freddie Femur?
MechTurtle[info]mechturtle on May 28th, 2007 07:03 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the J. Bone links, they look cool and interesting!